Stabilizing a half wall on concrete floor

Stabilizing a half wall on concrete floor

Stabilizing a half wall on concrete floor
Knee walls are most commonly seen in bathroom settings where they separate a toilet niche from a countertop, or provide a small separation between a vanity and a shower. They are also found in attics. They are called knee walls because they generally only come halfway up the wall, rather than going all the way to the ceiling, and are also known as half walls. They follow the same basic rules, spacing and installation as house framing, but you can add extra stability if you desire. Secure the bottom piece of the knee wall with additional screws placed into the floor joists at every intersection. Look for the screw marks on the subfloor to determine where the joists are located. Sink 4-inch wood screws through the bottom piece of the knee wall frame, into the joists through the subfloor. Add additional screws where the edge of the knee wall meets the wall studs of the house. Drive 3-inch wood screws through the framing of your knee wall into the house framing. Place the screws every 4 inches up the stud. Angle the screws inward from the outer edge of the knee wall framing as they dig into the studs on the wall of the home. Measure the top, or header, of the knee wall. Cut a 2-inch by 4-inch piece of lumber to that size. Measure the distance from the floor to the top of the header along the outer edges also known as posts of your knee wall. Cut 2-inch by 4-inch pieces of lumber to that size. Place the header piece on top of the existing header. Screw it directly to the top of the existing knee wall header, using 3-inch screws. Butt the post lumber against the existing posts on your knee wall. Screw the lumber to the existing posts, using 3-inch wood screws. Make cuts with a compound miter saw. Place the material onto the tray of the saw. Push it up against the back fence of the tray and maneuver it under the blade along your mark. Hold onto the piece with your free hand and pull the trigger and handle of the saw downward into the piece. Add cross braces between the studs of the knee wall. Place the cross braces horizontally between the wall studs. Ensure to place the cross braces halfway up the knee wall. Cut the cross braces to fit in between the studs. Mount the cross braces to the vertical studs, using 3-inch screws. Angle the screws inward from the top or bottom side of the brace into the vertical studs. This is known as "toe nailing. Tim Anderson has been freelance writing since He spent more than 15 years as a third-generation tile and stone contractor before transitioning into freelance writing. Skip to main content. Warning Wear safety gear when working with power tools. About the Author Tim Anderson has been freelance writing since Accessed 09 April Anderson, Tim.

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Read This]. View First Unread. I just started into a job, 5'x5' shower, with a half wall that comes out to the door of the shower, which will be neo-angled. The subfloor is concrete slab. I will be using Kerdi, and I will be framing up the half wall and curb, extending the wall that meets the other side of the curb. My dilemma is this: It didn't dawn on me until yesterday that I haven't built a half wall that will be tiled without either a bench up against it to give it stability, or the end studs going down through a wood subfloor to attach to a floor joist. So, I'm pondering now, the best method for getting this wall 36"w. My current thought is to go get a heavy gauge steel post, make hole in slab, set post in concrete, maybe 18" deep, and put it behind the end studs. Then bolt the post to the studs. Anyone have an easier idea? Not looking forward to busting through the slab, digging 18" through a little hole, then getting this thing attached firmly to the studs. Sponsored Links. My other question, is, has anyone used a kerdi ST tray in an area it is smaller than, and then pack mud around the perimeter to complete the preslope? Ive cut them before. The only thing you have to watch out forwhich I didn't the first time, is to make sure that you level out the part that you are mudding. Because when you cut the pan, you end up with a contoured edge and not a flat edge. I went ahead and screeded off using the pan as a guide and later realized that my floor dipped a bit at the walls where I cut. Almost forgot, I got a pan once that seemed a bit warped. Though it was just my eyes so went ahead and used it. Turned out at the end of the day it was loose in parts so ripped it out. I stopped using them. Making one is cheaper and puts more money in my pocket anyway. Unless the tray fits, it's easier to do a mud floor and have done with it. Find More Posts by John Bridge. Can you tie in a corner seat on the inside of the shower?? Your post option is a good one. Another is to run all the way up and tie in at the cieling just at the end and put glass bloack in rather than the glass panel which generally accompanies this type shower setup. I did one once where we ran a corner about 6". We never had a problem with it and it was quite strong. I do recall the special order glass was rather expensive ,but arent they all. He gives much so you can have a Beautiful Home!! By doubling up the studs and top and bottom plate, and also overlapping the framing on the corners, you'll make an incredible stiff wall. Using 3" screws helps instead of nails too. Construction adhesive on the floor and wall where this half wall attaches will hold it in place, however, I'd rather see the bottom plate get nailed into the concrete floor before the rest of the assembly is screwed to it. I've built free standing half walls that you could run into with a truck and they wouldnt budge. Find More Posts by Splinter. Thanks for the advice. Todd, the 6" corner you mention, did it turn 90 or 45 degrees?

Half wall bracing

This particular wall is resting on a cement slab. The idea is to drill a hole in the cement then drive these down. As you tighten the nut it draws the bolt upward and spreads the anchor out which makes a very tight fit in the concrete. This gives some space for the debris that accumulates at the bottom. Carefully tap the anchor into the hole you just drilled. Use a socket wrench to tightened the nut until the floor plate is snug against the floor. I used this process to insert four bolts and it did the trick. I found this to hold better than other methods such as using Tapcon screws. The anchors hold the bottom plate very securely and greatly reduced the movement of the wall, but I also needed some extra bracing to keep the studs from moving back and forth on the bottom plate. I nailed it in place and even drove some heavy duty Spax screws into it as well. In the end the half-wall felt much more solid and is ready for the countertop which will also strengthen it up even more. Share it Facebook. Share it. Tags bathrooms Before and After ceramic tile countertops crawlspace cutting tile ditra Doors Flooring Framing glass tile hardibacker home repairs Houzz How-To inglewood inglewood homes kerdi kerdi-board Kitchens laminate floors Landscaping marble niches old houses Organization prep work remove walls Schluter subway tile testimonials Tile tile backsplashes tile floors tile hearths tile layout Tile Showers tile steps tile surround Tile Surrounds Tool Reviews Tools travertine trim wainscoting.

How to build a knee wall on concrete

Examine the area you're going to build in, and take all of the necessary measurements. Check the floor to see if it's level. If it is not, adjust the dimensions of the new wall to compensate. Make notes of any obstacles such as pipes and outlets. Clean and prep the area. Use a chalk line to snap a line on the floor between the columns to indicate the location of the bottom plate. Cut the bottom and top plates to length. The bottom plate is the pressure-treated 2x4 that makes contact with the concrete. Place the top and bottom plates side by side and face down on the floor. With a speed square, draw a line across both plates every 16". These lines represent the center of your studs. This line represents the edge of each stud. Draw some X's over the center lines to help show the placement of the studs. Note: The dimensions of the project determines the amount of studs needed. The combined thicknesses of the bottom plate, top plate and 1x6 clear pine cap will make up that difference. Place the top and bottom plates on their edges on the floor with the lines facing inward. Position the studs between the top and bottom plates and line them up with the corresponding lines on each plate. Use a pneumatic framing gun to nail the studs into the top and bottom plates. Place the completed half-wall frame on the line you chalked earlier between the two columns. Make sure it is the pressure-treated bottom plate that makes contact with the concrete. Once the frame is in place, check to see if it's level.

Reinforcing a half wall

We are working hard to ship as quickly as possible, while ensuring the safety of our associates. Send us your questions and our Total Support Team will respond by email or phone as soon as we can! Please note: Our Bristol retail store is closed until future notice. By Brian Knight. I was in my basement applying some 2x4 furring to a concrete block wall in preparation for insulating and hanging drywall. I noticed a crack in a horizontal mortar joint about half way between the floor and the ceiling running nearly the length of the wall. I realized that this crack was an indication that the block wall was bowing inward. I don't know how long this had been going on, or how much pressure it took to cause the problem. What I did know was that I had to take some steps to stop the wall from bowing more. There are two common methods traditionally used to repair this problem. One is to dig the dirt away from the wall, twist some augers into the surrounding soil and use tie rods to pull the wall back into place. The other method uses steel I-beams that are installed on the inside of the wall. They are attached to the basement floor and the floor joists to prevent the wall from bowing inward. Properly designed, the I-beams withstand the bending load on the wall. While both methods work, they each have obvious disadvantages and neither method sounded appealing to me. Digging soil away from the house is not good for my garden and I was not enthusiastic about having I-beams attached to my basement wall. My idea on how to stabilize the wall was to use a variation of hardware bonding that Gougeon Brothers has been advocating for years. The wood furring would provide a space for insulation and electrical wiring and also provide a nailing area for the drywall. The steel re-bar would provide the tensile strength the concrete wall was lacking. But my idea would work only if the steel could be bonded to the furring, and the furring to the wall. Looking at my concrete block wall, you can see that it is being forced inward. The outside surface of the block is the compression side of the wall. The inside surface is being stretched-this is the tension side of the wall. Concrete has very poor tensile strength, which is why cracks are appearing. The mortar is failing in tension. The goal of my stabilization project is to create a tension member that provides the tensile strength lacking in the concrete. My basement wall is bowing inward. The bowing or bending stresses are the result of a combination of forces. If you stand in the middle of a plank supported by two sawhorses, the plank bends under your weight. The top surface of the plank is being compressed. The bottom surface is being stretched which puts it in tension. The compression load is at its maximum at the top surface of the plank and gradually transitions to a tensile load that is at its maximum on the bottom surface of the plank. At the center of the plank, there is neither compressive load nor tensile load. This is called the neutral axis and no load is exerted here.

How to build a sturdy half wall

A short wall can help end territorial arguments in the children's bedroom, and it can make a large living room more useful by dividing it into sections. It's typically about half as high as a full wall, and because it doesn't attach to the ceiling, it needs more secure anchoring to the floor than a full one. Longer walls need the most anchoring, and there is more than one way to do it. Constructing a short wall is identical to constructing a full one. You cut the top and bottom plates of the wall to the lengths you need from two-by-fours, then cut enough studs to space them 16 inches apart with one at either end, and nail them between the plates. Erecting a wall that's less than about four feet is a matter of positioning it next to a stud in an existing wall and driving 3-inch screws into the end stud and bottom plate to hold the wall to the adjoining wall and to the floor. The end of a wall longer than about four feet is likely to wobble if you simply screw the bottom plate to the floor and don't make efforts to brace the end stud. One solution is to replace the stud on the end of the wall with a four-by-four. Once the post is secure, you build the wall, attach it to the post and anchor the wall to the floor and the adjoining wall in the usual way. A short wall at the top of a staircase has to be stronger than one in the middle of the room, because it's there to prevent people from falling down the stairs. Use 2-inch screws, which are long enough to almost penetrate the joists, and space them about 12 inches apart. You can install drywall right over the plywood once the wall is secure. If you have access to the underside of the floor, you can securely anchor a short wall without removing the subfloor by using threaded rod and some hardware called tension tie connectors. You first need to nail blocking to the joists, then erect the wall with a double stud forming its end and screw it to the floor. You bolt one tie to the blocking and one to the end stud on the inside of the wall. Drill a hole through the floor, pass a length of threaded rod through the hole and through both ties, then secure it at both ends with a nut. Tightening the top nut puts tension on the rod and makes the front of the wall solid. Chris Deziel has a bachelor's degree in physics and a master's degree in humanities. Besides having an abiding interest in popular science, Deziel has been active in the building and home design trades since As a landscape builder, he helped establish two gardening companies. By Chris Deziel. Copyright Leaf Group Ltd.

How to build a half wall with countertop

Forgot your Password? We welcome your comments and suggestions. All information is provided "AS IS. All rights reserved. You may freely link to this site, and use it for non-commercial use subject to our terms of use. View our Privacy Policy here. Toggle navigation Cancel. Log in. Remember Me? Login with Facebook Log in. Forgot Password? New Posts. Today's Posts. Community Member List. Forum Actions Mark Forums Read. Quick Links View Forum Leaders. Half wall - best way to reinforce? Thread Tools. Received 1 Vote on 1 Post. I have framed a half wall between the toilet and the bathtub. The wall only goes up 48" high and is attached to the concrete slab below and screwed to the wall stub on it's back. However, if I hold on to the front corner of the framed wall, and push it - it will move a little to the left and right. Is there some way I can reinforce it so it would not move? I know once I attached sheetrock and tiles it probably would be sturdy but then again, it may crack the tiles if it ever moves. View Public Profile. Find all posts by MiamiCuse. Not sure how you framed the wall and if you screwed and glued it all together and also used double 2x's on the ends and top and bottom plates, but regardless I would think that if you sheet with Durarock rather than drywall you will have even less structural wood movement and a far less chance for future tile problems. Find all posts by equinox. Received 4 Votes on 4 Posts. In reality, nothing you add as a covering will add enough structural stability to keep it from moving. Whatever you choose for an outer covering will be just that, a covering. The point where it meets the floor is ground zero. Once that is done, the end board should overlap the bottom plate, and the one next to it should sit on the plate, both being fastened with 3" torx screws. Don't use sheetrock type screws, use decking screws. Do the same thing with the top plates, except in reverse. Allow your top plate to overlap the outside vertical, install your second plate, then your second stud, tying them all together with screws.

Half wall framing

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How to finish a half wall

Subfloors for tile installations require a little more attention to detail than other flooring materials. This is usually not a major problem with resilient flooring, carpet or even some tongue-and-groove systems. Stability and rigidity should be addressed, however, if you plan to install a tile floor, because any minor amount of deflection in the subfloor could result in cracks or damage to the brittle material. That was the problem faced by pro remodeler Ritchie Hamilton during a recent flooring job. Over time the house had settled and the floor joists had sagged. Not only did this result in a noticeable dip in what should be a flat surface, but the floor lost rigidity, and the surface would slightly bend and bow when you jumped up and down on it. Installing mortared and grouted floor tile over the unstable floor would invite cracked grout lines, loosened tiles, and maybe even broken tiles. If you can gain access beneath the subfloor, you can construct a perpendicular beam with piers to level the joists and stabilize the framing with additional support that connects to the ground. The beam serves two purposes. First, it bridges across the bottom of the joists so they can all be leveled to the same height to reduce sag. That was the solution that Ritchie chose to strengthen the subfloor and ensure a long-lasting tile floor installation. The surface of the existing floor was covered in resilient flooring. A little jumping around was all it took to determine the subfloor was in no shape for tile in its current condition. After locating the joist that sagged lowest in the crawlspace, we attached a 4x post to its underside with a metal construction tie. As the sagging joist goes higher, the gap shrinks between the beam and the bottom of the neighboring joists. Be sure to keep the jack and wood block perfectly plumb, otherwise the tension on the block will cause it to shoot dangerously out of the jack. The new posts provide a secure connection all the way to the ground and to help take the shake out of the floor. Positioning the posts snugly between the joists and footing will take a little encouragement from a hammer. Install each post perfectly plumb, and toe-nail with a framing nailer to secure them from movement. If you have any problem joists that simply refuse to align with the others, use wood shims to close the gap and provide a solid connection that will reduce movement. After stripping the floor covering to the plywood subfloor, Ritchie installed the HardieBacker. Stagger all the cement-board joints, and avoid aligning them with the subfloor joints. The four corners of cement boards should never meet at one point. Stop a half wall from wobbling

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